That's a good theory :)
I will point out that RTD etc. have previously only used footage from the first four or so episodes in the series trailer because post-production isn't completed yet, so that might have something to do with Rose not being in the trailer.
I'm so excited about series 4, I seriously can't wait :D

Yes I was thinking about that too. Though Billie is on set currently isn't she, so maybe they did those episodes already? I really can't see there being romantic involvment between Donna and the Doctor though. I think he is still very hung up on Rose.

I wouldn't panic just yet hun, they're still filming series 4 and don't usually start filming the finale till feb/march, so no scenes with Rose will have been shot yet. Last year's trailer for series 3 was just a collection of clips from the first 3 or 4 eps, I expect it's the same this year.

Like your theory though, it could work!

Yes, I did have this discussion with my friend. It seems to me Billie is on set now, and yet they shouldn't be filming the final for months yet. So I did also wonder if we would have a Doctor lite episode which followed Rose in the alt dimension, which is why David doesn't have scenes with her yet. And then she would come back for the final later.

I think the kiss was from the Agatha Christie ep- the costumes looked right, so that would be way before Rose returns.

And the bit of them holding hands and looking at each other, they look really heartbroken- due to the lighting, I have a feeling it's when they have to leave the citizens of Pompeii to die.

And David said he hadn't done any scenes with Billie- but didn't say he wouldn't be doing any next year! I honestly cannot believe that RTD would bring Rose back and then not even have her meet the Doctor! It's just so much dramatic potential- he would be crazy not to use it!!!

Yes... I can't see his motivation. Except for he may be stuck on the fact that Rose would never leave him. I don't know, it's just a theory. Those two clips to me just seemed so very OOC for the Doctor with Donna, but not so much for Doctor and Rose. That was all I was thinking.

That's a really interesting theory.

I'm guessing you've seen all the shooting photos, though? And IIRC there was a little video posted too. There's a part where Donna and Rose are together. Though I guess that could be alt-Donna, just to go "full circle"...

However, if you're right, that would definitely explain David's little mischievous grin. Heh.

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Well yes, that smirk when he said he had no scenes with Billie, and I thought, something is definitly up, he's lying about something. Or not the whole truth at least.

And those scenes, I was wondering if it was perhaps a psyche encounter. Maybe they are both in the same body, or there's a cross over point. I don't know.

I'm actually wondering if she won't be coming back from the other world, but perhaps the time lines will be crossed somehow and it will be a Rose from the past (kind of how they mentioned Jack going back to watch her grow up). I would actually prefer it be something like that where she can appear briefly without them negating the previous idea that she can't come back (it would also easily explain why she can't stay--since my impression is yes Billie will appear, but no she isn't coming back full time)

Yes, that makes sense. Though the use of make up and such from the photos indicate that she might be older. I do like the ider of it being a step back in time though. Imagine the angst!

Hmmm... it's an idea *nods*
I personally quite freely ignored the kiss we saw- remember there has always been a very platonic and highly un-romantic explanation behind any kisses we've had previews for so I'm not worried about that at all. Though sayin that I bet you its got no such explanation for this one and I'll be left chowing down on my hat...

As for the gazing thing, I noticed (and proceeded to shout about much to the annoyance of my family) that he was crying. Quite a lot indeed. Cast your mind back to the only reason we've ever seen 10 cry... that's right- Rose!
I know I may be over thinking things and quite possibly living in a fantasy world but still! It's an idea right? ;)

Yes, exactly, I thought maybe it was a 'OMG you are Rose in Donna's body!' moment actually. And yes, I wasn't sorried about the kiss at all. After following Doctor Who very closely since series 1, I just know RTD won't have it as it seems.

BTW Ten also cried when the Master died.

he has no scenes with billie?! when did he say this?!!

During an interview with Newsround. they asked what it was like to work with Billie again, or something like that, and he said he didn't have any scenes with her, and that it would all make sense when we saw the episode.

I don't want there to be romance between Donna and the Doctor, cos i liked her because she just wasn't all lovey dovey all over the doctor.

i do like your idea of the return of billie. but at the same time the trailers at this time are normally only for the first part of the season, mainly because they haven't finished filming the rest yet, so david and billie might not have shot any scenes together yet?

But Billies on set right? So either she has an ealier episode with them, or they have done it in a different order due to schedule.

Meh. Most of the trailer clips will be from the first half of the season, so I don't think that's the case. Note that in the snogging clip, Donna's yanking the Doctor in rather than it being a mutual thing. I think that for whatever reason, she'll need to pretend she's "with" him or otherwise; ergo, snoggage. Besides, it looked like she was in period costume, as in the Pompeii or Agatha Christie episodes. Looks like a comic kiss anyway. The "loving" look you mention looked more like an "OMG we're about to die!" look to me, like they were two friends facing what could be their death. Again, Donna looks period; I'll bet it's the Pompeii episodes. Besides, we have on-set reports that Rose and Donna interact, which would be hard to do if they were in a body-swap.

I think that once the mid-season trailer comes out, we'll have more information. For now, it's pretty much all spec.

Well, yes I did say they were my musings, and not actual spoilers.

I also forgot to add that maybe David was being sly. I haven't seen or read this interview (being in the States and not being able to find anything about it online), but it's quite possible that David was doing what actors have been known to do many times before--tell the truth without telling everything. It's quite possible what he was saying was that he hadn't filmed any scenes with Billie...meaning that they hadn't filmed anything together yet. After all, they won't be finished filming Doctor Who until late February or early March, and the scenes aren't shot in order. It's quite possible they might not have any scenes together until the very end of filming.

After all, Billie Piper once said she wasn't planning on coming back to Doctor Who, but if she did it would be so that she could work with David while he was still the Doctor. Would make the whole idea of her wanting to work with David again rather pointless if they have no scenes together.

Yes, he was definitly up to something when he gave that interview. There was a very sly smirk. But he said it would all become apparent, which made me think that is more to do with it being a clever storyline. And it was obvious he was choosing his words carefully.

Well, I think he said he hadn't filmed any with Billie *yet*. They're still filming, aren't they?

No he didn't I checked this because I thought perhaps she would be in the Doctor Lite epsidoe, or it would be a communication by hologram style thing, meaning though they wouldn't film together, Rose and the Doctor would interact.

I think I'm a bit confused - she's in three episodes, isn't she? Episodes which they're still filming, so just because David hadn't filmed any scenes with her at the point he gave the quote doesn't mean he won't at all.

I can't recall his exact words, but it sounded like he meant that he didn't have any scenes with her, as in not in the scripts, so not at all. He was careful how he worded it too.

its certainly an interesting theory. and i think it's very plausible, especially given rose and donna's characters - donna is such a romantic, i think she'd love to give the doctor and rose a chance at happiness; i think that she'd be happy for a change, and after the time spent with the doctor during this series she will have learned to be independent, and get a taste for more of what's out there. however, the snog doesn't necessarily have to be meaningful (see: genetic transfer in the s3 premiere), and the hand-holding could easily just be friendship - i think that, even from their short interaction in 'runaway bride', they already care greatly for each other. so....pardon the pun, but who knows?

I agree with the snog thing. But have you seen Ten hold hands with any of his new companions. He did with Martha for all of thrity seconds in the first episode of series 3 then promptly dropped it, and the same with Astrid yesterday. It seemed he was also shaking her off. I can;t see Donna being the hand holding type either. Maybe I am wrong, it was just a musing as I was watching the trailer, and with everything that had been said thus far, it seemed to add up.

you make a good point with the hand-holding. i just tend to view the doctor's relationship with all of his companions as completely different. with rose, obviously, he loved her. with martha, i think he enjoyed her company, but i never was really able to feel a CONNECTION between them. but with donna, i think that they really understand each other, being that when they first met they were both dealing with the loss of a loved one. i think that there's this great parent-and-child-type relationship between them, that goes back-and-forth between who's the parent and who's the child (can you tell that i kind of reallyreallyreally love donna?), so ultimately, i think that doctor/donna is quite different from doctor/martha, and i see hand-holding as a definite possibility.

i really do love your theory! i hope i don't seem like i'm shooting it down, i'm just trying to explore it a bit. again, you never really know with doctor who!

Oh yes, I do see Donna as kind of a replacement for Jackie Tyler. I quite look forward to seeing her in the role of Donna again.

And it's quite alright to shoot down my theory. I tend to do a lot of musing over the run up to the new series. Eventually I settle on something. Last time I got it right too :)